I don’t like to criticize someone else’s reading as tarot card meanings are not fixed, and it is an art, not a science—but there’s a lot of confusion in the four minute reading for Whoopi Goldberg on The View—watch it here. I thought I’d clear up what I can.
First, I was shocked that the reader, Sandy Anastasi, knew nothing true about the history of tarot when there is so much documented and written about it. As a tarot author and spokesperson, it is incredibly irresponsible and unprofessional for her to spout such nonsense. She lost a good opportunity to inform the public that the tarot originated in 15th century Northern Italy—most likely in the courts of Milan or Ferrara (and not with the gypsies!). Also, that while originally used for a card game similar to bridge, the allegorical figures of the “Triumphs” were well-known as standard, everyday images representing a Christian cosmography—a mapping of humanity’s place and experience in the cosmos. (Perhaps that’s a little heavy for TV.) Sure, the tarot can be used to train psychics, but Anastasi implies that was the original purpose rather than a modern one.
Yes, the Seven of Cups can mean a lot of choices. The “two properties” thing must have been a psychic or intuitive hit as that’s not a standard meaning. In fact, specific details like this are often part of a psychic tarot reading, not found in books and verifiable only by those who know the circumstances.
Things become really confused when the interviewer starts moving the cards around – although I don’t see why it was such a big deal – just keep on reading! Anastasi gets sidetracked. She says one orientation of the Seven of Cups means the decision has already been made, but it is unclear whether it was upright when facing her or facing Whoopi. I assume that “a decision already made” refers to an ‘inverted’ card, since the upright version clearly shows multiple choices up in the air and the person is in the dark. However, that makes the next card really confusing. The Ace of Wands originally was oriented the same as the Seven of Cups. Upright the Ace of Wands is one of the fastest, most dynamic and passionate action cards in the deck (what I call the “Yes!” card). It indicates delays when reversed (oops, ‘inverted’), but Anastasi says the decision is still open, and there will be delays—maybe til the first of the year. Now I’m really confused.
All-in-all, I’d say this was a valiant effort, in incredibly difficult circumstances. The reading probably contains some relevant information for Whoopi, but was hampered by unnecessary distractions and, to me, an unforgiveable lack of knowledge about the origins of tarot in the rich ferment of the early Italian Renaissance. I invite all those who are interested to read the TarotL History Information Sheet, and tarot teachers, please pass it out to your students in the printer-friendly version here.
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August 19, 2009 at 5:44 am
Beth Owl's Daughter
This is a brilliantly written response, Mary. Thank you so much for posting it. I only wish that the untold thousands (millions?) of View viewers that have been further exposed to misinformation and attitudes about the Tarot could read it.
Do you ever feel like Sisyphus?
– Beth
August 19, 2009 at 4:23 pm
Helen
That was the first thing that stuck me Mary, that she was spouting nonsense about the history…. and as you say Mary tarot reading is not a science but an art, I guess in the end it’s Whoopi who can decide whether it was relevant or not. I guess there was a mix of tarot and psychic in that reading.
I think your response in correcting this information she gave on history is good and relevant. I was surprised she didn’t add that it came out of Egypt first, before the gypsy got hold of it! LOL
August 19, 2009 at 5:27 pm
Jim
It is indeed a good response! I think that the producers of The View should have also been held accountable. This is too typical of how Tarot cards are presented in the media. One psychic is often chosen to respresent Tarot. In many cases, the psychic is either ignorant of the history of these cards are to be less charitable deliberately falsifying their history. As a result the common Tarot myths become more prevalent than the facts.
August 19, 2009 at 5:51 pm
Kimberanne
Sadly, I believe that the media would prefer to portray the Tarot as some sort of side show because it adds to the drama of it.
August 19, 2009 at 6:17 pm
Sharon
This woman, Sandy, is still in the dark ages. How does someone like her even rate a spot on a television show, much less The View in the 21st century saying such irresponsible hogwash. Have you seen her website? She says education is her goal. Egads! How disappointing it would be to get reading from her in real time.
To me, Whoopi looked more confused than anything but seemed like she was trying to make the best of the situation.
Mary, I wish you would send the producers of The View your very lucid response in your email to us. You might even consider throwing in a few of our comments.
August 19, 2009 at 8:47 pm
Arlene deWinter
Why do these incompetent people always get in the limelight? Celebrities give us such great exposure and have the chance to restore Tarot reading as profession and psychic work in general to a world has become clogged with $10 readers of various degrees of untalent and where there is still so much resistance to the fact that what we do it real and not some kind of chicanery.
I wish Whoopie would have chosen me to read her cards. I would have given her excellent advice just as I did for Moby on MTV around 2000 in London. I predicted he would win an award and he did. There were lots of distraction, but a good psychic should be able to concentrate no matter what.
And guess what? I didn’t even know Moby’s music at the time.
August 19, 2009 at 8:48 pm
Arlene deWinter
Mary, I love your graphic by the way!
August 19, 2009 at 10:08 pm
Marcia McCord
Thanks, Mary, for saying what I was thinking! I was glad to see a tarot reading on something like The View, but I was, well, horrified at the “history”. It’s too bad the tarot is not mysterious enough for some without steeping it in hokum.
August 20, 2009 at 5:49 am
Gayla
Mary, although The View Reading was a missed opportunity to educate the world on Tarot, I consider this to be a sort of blessing for myself as a Student of the Tarot because you were able to use it as a teaching point on your Blog, which I consider to be a major learning tool for my ongoing studies for which, I personally greatly appreciate. Educating the masses on the true origins and use of the Tarot thru the media has been and will be a uphill battle for a long time to come, but I am confident at some point enough interest will be generated to persuade the mainstream media to be more in tune with Tarot as a art form and tool for problem solving….however, we’ll have to take the good and the bad with that won’t we? It won’t be our own niche anymore and I fear Tarot will have to endure the cruelty of being a fad and mass marketed (beyond the point it is now), which comes along with fame. While I crave the desire for the world to love and understand the Tarot the way I do, I loathe the thought of Tarot being exploited as a short term, capitalistic trend. It’s just my two cent’s worth, but the way Tarot was portrayed on The View, put it at risk for such.
August 20, 2009 at 9:00 am
Elise
Thanks so much for this great commentary! The history information sheet is also very valuable. I always mumble something about Italy and bridge and can’t quite get it out in a concise statement when put on the spot, so it’s great to hear what you would say! Thanks as always for your wisdom and help, Mary!
August 20, 2009 at 10:00 am
Pitch313
Experts and accomplished folks can put their names out to the TV and radio and other media gatekeepers (editors, producers, bookers, miscellaneous staffers, etc.) as “people to call.”
But that doesn’t mean that the TV show will call them.
It helps a lot to be geographically near to the TV studios, so there’s little to no travel cost to the studio.
It also helps a lot to have some promotion and promoting acvtivity going on around you. And maybe a nifty stunt or act to do (Tarot reading!).
It also helps to look good on camera, to know how to play to the hosts, etc.
But actual knowledge and perspective may not make the cut. Mostly that stuff doesn’t look so good on camera or in the chat.
P.S. I though that Tarot “had” to come from Gypsies because in all the movies and TV shows, Tarot readers always look like Gypsies. TV and movies wouldn’t mislead us about things like that, would they?
August 20, 2009 at 10:30 am
mkg
I would imagine it is very difficult to be on national TV and so easy to screw up. Plus stuff always gets cut (I imagine there was some more to the reading).
I was interviewed once for Australian TV — for an hour. Everyone said I did great and gave a wonderful reading to the interviewer, but at one point I stumbled for a second trying to think how best to answer a big question succinctly and was told not to worry – they’d cut that.
The 2 to 3 minute TV airing was almost entirely a professional skeptic putting down tarot and then me – stumbling over my words! It was an obvious set-up from the beginning.
While Gypsies in general don’t seem to have had much (if anything) to do with Tarot before the end of the 19th century, they do have a long tradition of fortune telling that includes cartomancy. Cartomancy has always been part of a marginal, outcast way of life that was rarely acknowledged by the bastions of culture and history. Until we acknowledge that, we aren’t seeing or understanding our own history or making apparent the roles that people like us have always played in people’s lives.
August 20, 2009 at 10:36 am
Caryl Lynn Taylor
Dear Mary:
I was quite relieved to read your post today concerning the video of the tarot reader on Whoopi’s tv show. Since the video came to me through your blog, I initially thought you endorsed the comments of the tarot reader, and had planned to unsubscribe to your newsletter until I read today’s comments. I am just now returning to studying the tarot after many years away, and am looking for reliable sources of information to support both my education and my knowledge base as I take up studying the tarot with the intention of counseling others in the future. I knew immediately the tape from Whoopi’s show was bunk, and was very disappointed that the public will once again think we tarot readers are not worth their time or further investigation.
Thank you for clearing up your position in relation to your thoughts about that particular practitioner, and for the excellent teaching sheet you also provided. I will definitely keep reading and studying!
Caryl Lynn
August 20, 2009 at 1:58 pm
mkg
Sometimes I put up current events and information, not with the idea of critiquing it but simply to document it, so that everyone can make up their own minds about the situation. Personally, I learn so much from everyone’s responses in the comments. In this case I realized that it would probably be helpful to make my opinions clear – since I had some strong ones. Warning: as a double Libra I try to see both sides of an issue. But, the fact is that I sometimes do have strong opinions and Scorpio side comes out.
BTW, I love the tarot myths, which I believe are the expression of an inner truth – not that the tarot comes from Egypt, but that Egypt represents a sense of the deep meaning and magic that most of us experienced when we first came in contact with the tarot images.
August 22, 2009 at 11:13 am
Sleeping Gypsy
I don’t think it is fair to jump on this reader when most of her reading was possibly/probably edited and cut. Hollywood has a way of doing that and it just isn’t fair to criticize her in this way. Is this Whoopie’s personal reader? Does Whoopie identify with her on a level we don’t know about? If these questions are answered with a “yes” then the criticism would be reaching farther out to others and not just to the reader. I have to give the reader some credit – I don’t think I could submit myself to the bitties on “The View” and come out unshaken, just to have the tarot community criticize after the fact. God bless her for having the guts to try and make the tarot known to the millions of people in this world who think it is evil, the devil’s work…and worse.
Does anyone remember how this show practically crucified John Edwards not too long ago? They tore the poor man up and my heart went out to him. I felt so embarrassed for the human race after what they did to him on that show!
As far as separating tarot readings as “psychic” and “non-psychic”…what does this statement mean, exactly? In the beginning of the blog it is stated that each one interprets the tarot from an artistic not a scientific stand point, then the subject of whether a reading is “psychic” comes into play. I am confused by this line of thought…
Finally, I think it would be prudent to remember that no one really knows from when and where the tarot has come. Physical evidence has survived only so far back into our tiny history. The concept and practice of this tool could very well have come from many centuries earlier than one could possibly inage. So to say that anyone knows definitively when and where it was “invented” is still purely speculation. Why does everyone point at Egypt and laugh, when its origins could have come from much further back than a relatively modern Egypstian Dynasties.
August 22, 2009 at 1:33 pm
mkg
Sleeping Gypsy –
I don’t believe I criticized the reader for reading psychically. Sandy characterizes herself as a psychic tarot reader. I merely pointed out where some of her statements diverged from the book meanings in order to demonstrate this.
I was confused about her characterization of the two cards in which she used an upright meaning for one and an inverted meaning for the other although both were originally dealt upright. Except for her lack of knowledge about tarot history I clearly stated that these were trying circumstances under which Sandy dealt reasonably well.
It would be prudent to study the history of tarot before you say what is known and not known. A great deal is known and easily available to everyone. I think any tarot author and teacher is responsible for learning at least the basics of tarot history.
BTW, because of my interest in a possible Egyptian source I’ve researched ancient Egypt and been to Egypt twice, and I haven’t come across one piece of evidence that would support an Egyptian source for the Trumps. OTOH, I’ve been to Northern Italy and found Tarot iconography everywhere! The images were a regular part of early 15th century North Italian culture. The picture of people playing Tarocchi was taken by me (poor camera, poorer lighting, and an odd angle as it bordered the edge of a curved ceiling).
August 23, 2009 at 6:08 pm
Sleeping Gypsy
Thank you for your comments. They don’t convince me, however, that you or anyone for that matter truly knows the definitive origins of the tarot. You assume that I have not done my homework, and I assure you that I have and will continue to do extensive research as to the history and origin of the tarot as an ancient oracle, and not just a fancy game of cards borrowed from foreigners by a court of bored courtesans. I will most probably be doing this sort of research my entire life, and even then the origins probably won’t still be known…difintively.
Evidence of the tarot as a card game may stop back in the mid to early 14th century, but this does not mean that it didn’t exist in any other form before that. Saying that the tarot could not possibly exist before then is like saying that because there is no physical evidence that the historical Jesus (ie. a body) ever existed that he simply did not exist. Or that because there was no known discovered evidence that the world was round that it had to be flat and that was the difinitive truth on that. The official number of known planets in our solar system have risen and fallen over the centuries. How about who really discovered America? Was it Columbus? Or the Vikings? I could go on and on ad nauseum, but will spare myself the trouble.
You have read books and traveled and that is admirable! I have been to Israel, but this does no make me an expert on the Torah, the Kabaalah or the Holocaust. I have read a plethora of books on all sorts of things, but this does not give me the right to say I am an expert on any of the subjects read. Anyone can write a book or travel to a foreign country, but this does not make them an expert at either.
I suggest you check out the research of Dr. Douglass White, Ph.D. He has done some extraordinary work in the field of tarot history.
And if Jungian archetypes are to come into play, I would dare say that the human psyche goes way back farther than the mid 14th century. Some things survive the millennia (the Peat Man and the Pyramids) and some don’t (Egyptian papyrus and the Libraries of Alexandria). All I am saying is that no one – not me nor you – really knows when the concept of tarot as an oracle really came into being.
August 23, 2009 at 6:52 pm
mkg
Sleeping Gypsy –
I’m really curious who these “bored courtesans” were who borrowed the tarot from foreigners (and which foreigners?). To my knowledge, the connection between tarot and courtesans is from 16th century Venice, but I’d love to know more. I’ve never heard of tarot in the “mid-to early 14th century.” Instead it appeared in the 15th century – just before 1440. The evidence is very scanty for it being used for an oracle before the 1780s (although I do believe it was used for divination before that and bits of evidence occasionally emerge that demonstrate this).
Certainly I hope new and interesting evidence concerning tarot continues to come to light and change our perspective as I’ve seen it do over the past forty years. Until there is some kind of evidence you don’t have history – only speculation or myth. Personally, I love the tarot myths, but it helps to know the difference.
If you are referring to Douglas White’s Ancient Egyptian Senet Tarot – it doesn’t prove tarot’s origins in Egypt. However, I’d love to find out about and read any writing he’s done on tarot history. BTW, I was lucky enough to play Senet at the British Museum with one of their curators. I notice that your beautiful website has some great links to Egyptian resources. Thanks for offering those.
I know I won’t convince you of anything. I can only hope that each person who reads this discussion will be inspired to do their own research into tarot history. It’s a richly rewarding field.
August 23, 2009 at 7:23 pm
Sleeping Gypsy
I believe it was Bob Place in his book “The Tarot: History, Symbolism, & Divination” that reveals that it was in the mid-14th century that the first evidence of tarrochi cards being made for the royal courts took place in the French Gringonneur deck of playing cards at the court of Charles in 1392. (I believe that to be late 14th centruy…so I stand corrected.) He has even found evidence of playing cards used for divination in China by Cai Lun in 105 A.D. – way before the French & Italian examples.
Dr. White’s web page is at: http://www.dpedtech.com/humanities.htm . He does have his own deck – as you yourself have one of your very own – but his journey does not stop there. This man has an incredible vision and passion for the subject along with decades of devotion and first hand research. His research and publications are free, with printed materials available for a small fee.
Finally, I find it interesting that you would want or feel the need to “convince” me of anything. I simply follow where the information takes me. I always keep an open mind and continue to search for information on the tarot, its origins and history.
August 23, 2009 at 7:49 pm
mkg
According to Robert Place, “The Tarot is a deck of cards that developed in northern Italy in the early fifteenth century.” He also states, “None of these assertions [gypsies, Egypt, Kabalah, etc.] are supported by historical evidence nor by a study of the iconography that appears on the cards. These unsupported correspondences have served to widen the gap in understanding between the fifteenth-century Italian artist who first illustrated the deck and its modern users.” p. 6. And later, regarding the first playing cards, “These fourteenth-century decks were not Tarots.” p. 14
The so-called Gringonneur deck is actually from Italy around the late 15th century. It was confused with a written record regarding the purchase of standard playing cards for Charles VI.
There were playing cards in China, India, and Mameluk Egypt before they appeared in Europe. The Mameluk cards were from when Muslim Turks ruled Egypt and probably originated in Persia. None of these contained the 22 trump cards.
I’ll try to order Dr. White’s tarot book (either $35 or $10 for an ebook) although even to get the ebook version you have to mail a check to Taiwan. Thanks for the link.
In your first post, you said my comments wouldn’t convince you and I agreed. I don’t know why you would want to turn this around. I am merely trying to clarify some of the facts (like what Robert Place actually wrote) and encourage others to check these things for themselves.
BTW, although I assisted in the creation of the William Blake Tarot of the Creative Imagination (with Ed Buryn), I have not designed a deck yet. The Morgan-Greer deck was illustrated by a Bill Greer (no relation).
August 25, 2009 at 10:45 am
Spritfxr
Hello Mary, I was fascinated by this thread concerning Whoopi’s reading by Sandy Anastasi. After looking at your BIO and your list of published works it is, indeed, apparent that you have the credentials to critique (criticize) the work of another in the field.
Since, as you state, “meanings are not fixed, and it is an art, not a science” why bother to comment negatively at all? Interestingly, I have seen your books on the shelves of Sandy’s former store “Starchild Books” and when questioned about your interpretations of the cards as opposed to the definitions in her book, “The Tarot Readers Guide; A Comprehensive Guide From Beginner To Master”, (LULU Press) she simply stated that the interpretations in her book are her own. However, she did add she thought your work was excellent. What kind of person keeps another authors’ books in their book store next to their own? The kind who isn’t afraid to be criticized for their opinion.
One commenter on this blog openly says “why not me?” The answer is quite simple, this woman is not the “me first” kind. It shows in her grace and poise when Ms. Hasselback (sic) was purposely attempting to skew the reading because her belief system doesn’t include Tarot. Many readers would have been reduced to tears over such an intrusion, but Anastasi merely held her professionalism and finished the reading. I believe Whoopi said it all when asked by Ms. Hasselback if the reading was accurate by stating “Oh yes, it was accurate”. It seems the only ones confused were the “experts”.
Please Mary, use your stature as an icon in the tarot field to foster support in the field not to tear down another practitioner. Cheap shots are for the cheap. That is decidedly not how you strike me, as cheap. Blessed Be.
August 25, 2009 at 11:23 am
mkg
Spritfxr –
I believe my only negative criticism was of Sandy’s characterization of tarot history. History is not a “meaning” – it consists of facts, as far as they are known, and nothing she said related to a fact. On the contrary – there are many facts known about tarot history – which she, a professional spokesperson with many tarot books in her store – didn’t seem to realize. This is not a cheap shot. It is a plea to not continually foster misinformation about tarot. Please read the TarotL History Information Sheet.
How would you feel if a spokesperson from Ford Motors had never heard of Henry Ford and explained that the automobile was produced by pixies? It would be laughable only because no one would take him seriously. Yet thousands of people probably believed Sandy’s fantasy of the history of tarot was fact.
My own later confusion regarded the interviewer’s turning the cards around. At this point Sandy was not reading the cards. Instead she was teaching us what cards mean in their upright and inverted positions. She then summarized her interpretation of the cards for Whoopi, which seemed to contradict what she had just told us the cards meant. My confusion regarded her own characterizations of the cards as she then applied them. If someone has her book then they can clarify Sandy’s meanings for the upright and inverted Ace of Wands and 7 of Cups. That would clear things up.
Other than the history and, despite what I made clear was my own confusion, I stated that I thought Sandy did a good job under difficult circumstances.
August 27, 2009 at 5:23 am
Raven
Thank you, Mary for your insight! I actually felt a little sorry for the reader on the show–she did not feel at ease to me and Whoopi seemed like a stone wall. Not the best of reading circumstances. And yes, I agree–a little knowledge goes a long way on TV–she definitely could have brushed up beforehand.
Looking forward to having you on “Tarot Talk” 9/6!
Raven
August 31, 2009 at 9:46 am
roseofavalon
Thanks, Mary, for the informative TarotL History Information Sheet. I’ve been looking for a concise way to discuss Tarot history with my own students, and this is the perfect place to start.
Many blessings to you!
September 2, 2009 at 7:10 am
Nancy Antenucci
HI ya Mary and those following this conversation,
Wow this is a spirited dialogue! I feel like we are playing Sunday quarterbacks (which is cool since we have so little opportunity to talk shop with each other) that I just had to throw in my two cents.
If I had a magic wand…I would have had Sandy speak more in terms of herself. Instead of “Tarot trains psychics”….it would have been great for her to say that her psychic abilities grew and grew the more she read. That has certainly been the case for me!
I would have wished for her to use a term like sense or gut feeling instead of “vibrations”. “Vibrations” spook folks out or trigger hippie concepts.
I did appreciate her saying that you don’t have to be psychic to read the cards. It was a small sentence with huge importance. In fact I am writing a book about it right now using the term Sight interchangable with Psychic.
I would have wished that she ask Whoopi what she would like to have a different perspective on before determining her spread (although it is national TV with the clock ticking). When Whoopi said she only worries when it is time to go to the bathroom….it was an opportune time to encourage a reading about her creative destiny or other things that she would like to manifest rather than concern or worry. Actually if it was just me and her…I would have asked Whoopi if we should see what her body would like to tell her.
She did say that the Tarot was rooted deeply in history but I would have wished an accurate historical perspective after that statement.
When the blonde hostess moved her cards…I wished she would have mentioned that some readers would find you touching their cards much as a doctor would wonder why you are touching his stethoscope while he is trying to hear your heartbeat. It is just a sign of respect, nothing more, nothing less.
When you watch the video…she did reverse the Ace of Wands while she was talking about reversals. I however felt that she read the cards well. If you listen carefully to her words as she reads…you can almost hear the psychic hits coming thru. She starts talking about the 7 of Cups in a general way but starts getting definite road posts as she speaks. I think the same process happens with the Ace of Wands (if you forgive the confusion of reversals). Speaking of timelines is always a unique choice while reading….the Ace of Wands might have looked like one big ONE …I can’t speak for her yet I could follow her easily.
I would have wished that Sandi had a great haircut and tailored clothes. I’m tired of readers looking tired.
Tarot is an art rather than a science. If Tarot is not understood…psychic Tarot is really not understood. It isn’t lazy or sloppy Tarot…it is it’s own art form. As you said Mary…it can’t be found in books and is only verifiable by those who would know the specific circumstances. True….very true and I love it for that very reason.
The dialogue about this video kind of reminds me of how the ballet world rejected modern dance intially. I got a great quote from “Madmen” that was if you don’t like what is being said….change the conversation. Thanks for the opportunity to do so Mary.
Nance
September 2, 2009 at 11:20 am
mkg
Nancy –
I enjoyed reading your take on the reading and the alternate options available. While it does nothing for Sandy, such a personal analysis is a dry run for your own media opportunity. If each of us can refine and practice our own four minutes of fame then, perhaps, one of us will get it right.
In the old days many people expected to get a reading for free (now most understand that this is my work). I remember the first time I told a “friend-of-a-friend” that I read tarot professionally, and if they wanted to make an appointment I’d be delighted to read their cards. Anyway, I had to practice this line by myself to get it down perfectly and then I inwardly froze while I said it the first time, only to discover that the person “got it” immediately and respected me the more for it. After that it was easy and natural to say.
Sandy gives all of us a chance to think about and practice what we might do under similar circumstances – which is only to the benefit of all tarot readers. In this way her experience has been a great gift to us all, for which I, personally, am grateful.
August 13, 2010 at 1:42 pm
Sarah Giannis
I tend to suspect that this reading was a set up to forward something or other about Tarot. My guess would be that Whoopi or The View or the producers started out with an opinion first and then went ahead and set up the reading with their minds already made up and their objective all set. People sometimes do this to “prove” their point, to discredit readers or Astrology or Tarot because they already hold the fixed opinion that it’s all bunk. If they wanted to show an open-minded “view” why didn’t they look for a reader among well-known Tarot authors for instance, rather than get someone who doesn’t seem to know much about Tarot in general to do it?
August 14, 2010 at 11:53 am
mkg
Sarah –
Most people don’t know who “well-known Tarot authors” are – nor are there any guarantees that such people will do well in four minutes or less or on TV. It seems as though John Edwards provided a selection of psychics that he knew and respected. As Nancy indicated above, Sandy may be a good psychic tarot reader who didn’t get much of a chance to fairly show what she can do. If you’re going to go on TV, then I suggest practicing as much as you can for any eventuality and then hope for the best.
August 14, 2010 at 2:18 pm
Sarah
I suppose my main point was that I felt the reader was set up rather than that they didn’t look for a well-known author. If we look at Whoppie’s body language, we do not see an inquiring mind. We see someone who thinks she’s doing something silly or at least something she’d rather not do. BTW It is quite easy to find out who the foremost people in any field are these days.
Some of the comments here raise the question in my mind of whether someone needs to know the history of Tarot or how it works to be able to read it well. I don’t think so.
August 14, 2010 at 5:42 pm
mkg
Sarah –
Thanks for bringing the focus back. I think an unfair treatment of tarot by the media is pretty par for the course (even if there are a few exceptions). I think media personalities don’t want to look as if they are gullible.
Personally, I don’t think a person needs to know the history of Tarot to be able to read well. But, to be a public spokesperson for the field, I think it does make a difference! Likewise, an author really shouldn’t be perpetuating blatantly false ideas their field when just the tiniest bit of research will lead to some real, well-established facts. (BTW, I also believe that our myths are important—but we need to know the difference between historical fact and evocative myth).
August 14, 2010 at 8:19 pm
Sarah
I agree with you. I suppose the history question caught the reader off
guard. From what I’ve read, the origins of Tarot are controversial. There seem to be various ideas on that. I don’t think anyone believes it came from Gypsies though. But I think cards have a somewhat varied history in Europe, and I think someone could write a big paper or a chapter or give a whole lecture on that topic.
I guess if I were asked, I’m not sure what I’d say either . I might be more comfortable saying where I got it. Another way to put that might be: I’d likely say where the modern practice came from. And as for how the tarot works, I can’t say. I can impress people with my readings, and yet I am neither religious nor spiritual. So I couldn’t really answer that other than to say it taps into the subconscious, but that doesn’t say how.
August 14, 2010 at 10:07 pm
mkg
There a lot of books now on the history of tarot—a good dozen or more at all levels from popular to academic. This is not the place to list them, but they are easily found on the net and at Aeclectic’s tarot forum and The Tarot History Forum. There’s also the TarotL History Info Sheet (distributed in lots of tarot classes) that I’m sure I refer to above.
August 15, 2010 at 8:04 am
Sarah
I’m aware of the writings on the history of tarot and of playing cards. I’m also aware of how recently the history of tarot reading was uncertain. We may have in effect decided to agree on it, but very recently it was acknowledged that the history of tarot uncertain. IMHO it doesn’t matter all that much. What matters more is what we do with it now. We do know that we change our perceptions of things like this over time. If you ever studied Shirley Jackson’s, “The Lottery,” that’s the point she makes.
One thing I personally would not do with it is do a tarot reading on television. period.
February 26, 2020 at 6:21 am
Lynn Wilson
Mary says in this article, ” She lost a good opportunity to inform the public that the tarot originated in 15th century Northern Italy—most likely in the courts of Milan or Ferrara (and not with the gypsies!).” So, Mary is saying that MOST LIKELY, which implies she doesn’t know either, but is fast to criticize someone else. So, if Mary doesn’t know for sure either, she is also making a supposition, but because it disagrees with someone else supposition she knocks it down it could be that Sandy was right… even Mary admits she doesn’t know! We are too quick to judge!
Sandy Anastasi has been in business for a loooooong time, and charges a pretty penny. If she wasn’t accurate she wouldn’t be able to charge what she does and stay in business as the word would get out. Also, John Edwards is fabulous as anyone who has seen his program can attest. Since Sandy is his advisor, and he can talk with spirits to verify what she is telling him, perhaps it is Sandy that is the accurate one and not Mary who may just be jealous that it wasn’t her on “The View”, so is making a name for herself this way.
February 26, 2020 at 5:08 pm
Mary K. Greer
Lynn,
I‘d be happy to put my knowledge of tarot history up against Sandi’s any day before a committee of historians and tarot professionals. You completely misread my statement regarding tarot’s origins, which is based on concrete evidence rather than simply feelings.
Mary